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this is Leslie Kane and you're listening

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we want and we'll come back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and this is your

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listener Colin for the month of December

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four fantastic calls for you first up

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we've got Chad from Missouri talking

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about the phenomenon having some general

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conversation and discussing some of his

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fascinating sightings he's had over the

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years we moved into Tim from London

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discussing the long delayed UAP report

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and also the U.S stronghold on the UFO

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subject we then speak to Mike and

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Arizona who's never had his own sighting

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but discusses has 30 plus years

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fascination with the UFO subject and his

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own experience with Freedom of

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Information requests which was really

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really interesting and then we move on

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to a listener voice note that was sent

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in from Phil discussing his own unique

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experiences thank you to all the callers

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and if you want to get involved with the

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listener call in that will be recorded

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throughout the month of December DM or

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email UFO UAP am at gmail.com and we'll

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get something arranged it really is

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fantastic to get to speak to all of you

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without further Ado let's hand over to

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Chad

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hello

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it's very good to have you on finally

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we've been going back and forward on

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emails for a little while uh Chad listen

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the floor is yours it's uh it's a new

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month what do you want to talk about

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well first thing first is

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um what I want to talk about is

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um hypocenter 101 I don't remember the

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guy's name

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um that is doing uh the uh videos from

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airline pilots Ben Hansen yes I believe

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that's his name he's out of California

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and but anyhow what got me really stoked

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was the fact that uh I've been watching

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him here lately and the video from

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Springfield Missouri the airline pilot

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and they were they shot the pictures of

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the lights and it was by that bottom

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corner star of The Big Dipper and um I

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seen that in July

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and I counted around 44 approximately

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that lasted about 40 minutes and then

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right before they got to that star they

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would flare up get real bright and then

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go back down

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but they were moving in like a um train

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it was like every minute or two maybe

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three all sitting here comes one two or

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three of them

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they would flare up flare back down but

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I had a pair of binoculars with me and I

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went to a different vantage point on my

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property on a hill and they were way off

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on the horizon so I'm assuming

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20 30 miles away maybe if that maybe not

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right around 20. and but anyhow they

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were going by the Big Dipper flashing it

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was like they'd turn on and then then

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they would just fade off just like what

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you saw in the video from the

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Springfield pilot and uh

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when they would turn on sometimes they

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would just out of the blue it'd be black

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and then poof Here Comes light

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or some of them would be glowing barely

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so with the naked eye without pair of

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binoculars it'd be really hard to see

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them but with binoculars you could see

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the glow and then for that glow turned

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into a real bright and then it would go

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back down but they most of them never

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turn that glow off they kept glowing and

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they went all the way to the Horizon so

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they were going from the southwest to

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the Northeast

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like they had a destination and this I

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went outside that night

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excuse me um

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looked up to the north saw what I

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thought was a satellite flare

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then after that

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maybe 30 seconds later here's another

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one okay well that's really odd you

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don't normally see two in a row then I

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saw a third one and I thought oh these

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must be startling satellites so I

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watched for a little bit and I knew

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something was up when one of them

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flared and then started going down and I

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thought satellites don't do that

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satellites just have that trajectory

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they follow and that's it sure maybe a

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military satellite that's when I knew

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something was going on ran in got the

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binoculars hopped in the golf cart went

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to a hill and then sat and watched until

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after one o'clock in the morning the

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only thing going on

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was there was a like three-quarter moon

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to the southeast that kept me skeptical

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of what I was watching because I thought

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okay well there's a light source to my

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back and it's facing where they are and

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I thought well it could be satellite

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still but that one that moved down was

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like okay that's not normal

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that's what made me think but that's

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when I wrote it off because I've seen a

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few things in my life so I was like

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I'll just write that off as possibly and

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that's how I do it in life yeah and then

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on hypocenter 101 they've uploaded that

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video and I said I've seen exactly that

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happen and I said I've seen it the month

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and that's when I knew something was

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going on so that's what got me all kind

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of stoked about that

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I think straight away like when people

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say they see that kind of train the

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individual likes and the first time I

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saw the starlink stuff I was the same as

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you but it's like oh one two three but

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for you the the big difference here is

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the one that dropped because even the

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flaring and the glowing can still be

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light heading off of a satellite in in

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space or whatever other orbit whatever

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they might be and I think unless you're

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you even pilots make mistakes looking at

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these things but for you you think

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you've looked at it long enough

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and again are you putting a lot of

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credit into the pilots talking about

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seeing these things regularly at that

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sort of spot because that bottom corner

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of the Big Dipper wasn't it was was

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talked about do you think there's some

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kind of reason for that

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I don't know it may just be me that I

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don't that's weird and when I saw it I

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didn't at first I didn't put two and two

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together but I kept watching and it was

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just right before that star they would

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light up and then right after a little

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ways and then they dim back down it was

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like intentional but but I thought it

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was coincidental

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until I saw the video from Springfield

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Missouri and I said they did the same

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thing and I thought okay that's weird I

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mean that's just I can't I looked that

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star up and it's uh called the

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supergiant it's about five six hundred

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million years old and it's 2.8 times the

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size of the Sun so it's already burnt

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through most of its fuel in its core

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it's burning on the outer layer so it's

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kind of one of those things where you're

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like I doubt there's anything going on

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there or I went through my mind that's

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when he starts the speculation of course

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it's always speculation in this

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phenomenon is maybe they're saying hey

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look this direction

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keep looking out this way you know maybe

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I don't know I doubt it

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um may not even be thinking they want

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you to look that far in terms of you

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know as a species look at this way but

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they just know that a point of light in

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the sky someone may be looking at that

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point of light because the star itself

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is a point of light so just with a naked

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eye you're looking at that aren't you

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you're looking at that Big Dipper

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formation so there is that potential

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that you know if something's looking up

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this way that flash is going to get its

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attention

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it's I don't know it's like all of it is

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baffling why they do what they do what's

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going on what's the reasoning behind it

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is there even a reasoning is it just

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Randomness I don't know it's just kind

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of weird it just but it it it it stuck

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in my mind that night I did look up

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Starling satellites none there were none

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there were only three satellites of time

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in the state of Missouri going over when

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I when I looked online so I know now

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that it's like okay I don't think that's

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starlink because they're showing no

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starting like satellite trains so I said

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okay that's that's another one of those

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inching it up to that where you cross

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that 50 line in your mind that okay I

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leaned toward this was something

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UAP yeah versus well I'll just go ahead

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and file that away my mind is plain you

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know whatever so fat enough you have

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done your due diligence to go do you

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know what is this something kind of look

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it up kind of gives a satellite tracking

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app and when I speak to Dan or anyone

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else that do these kind of things

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they'll always say the same thing just

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check it because you can check and like

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you see it's not going to be 40 ft

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aircraft or 44 aircraft in a row so the

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likelihood has satellites but you've

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checked it it wasn't that so it makes

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you think huh it's something else and I

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think you work similar to me where you

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look at something and if you see

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something in the sky a point of like

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something moving it's it's probably not

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anything special but and you start to

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kind of process of elimination could it

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be this nah because of this could it be

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this no unlikely because of this so but

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you've said you've seen things before in

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the past is it similar to this or other

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types of sightings well right now in

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this part of the country there is

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activity

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um I I drive truck so and I've traveled

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truck for 27 years I've got about a

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million and a half two million miles of

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driving in so it's I've

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I pay attention because of you know in

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the sky some this is something I always

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tell everybody because especially for

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the Skeptics I say how often do you look

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up um

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when you go outside how often do you

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look up if you don't look up you don't

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see it's just kind of like if you're not

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going to go out and look at people

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you're not going to see people sure

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you're going to look up when you're

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looking for people that are not really

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going to be there so and when I was I

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think it was 16

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pretty sure it was 16 so that would make

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it like 1990 91. I'd come back from my

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cousin's house in Joplin which is just

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east of me and this is what before that

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I was a big skeptic I was like if there

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are aliens they're not here so I come

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back home park the truck I live out in

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the country so it's pretty dark and I

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looked over toward Joplin and there's

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what we call thunderheads or popcorn

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thunderstorms where they just it's kind

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of more like what you see in the um

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Tropics where you have a storm just pop

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over across the border into Kansas which

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is about 18 miles away

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and there was a light and this reminds

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you this is 1990 so you really never had

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helicopters around here I don't think we

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had air ambulances at the time and I

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thought well there's a helicopter over

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Joplin hovering so I thought well it

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must be police something going on

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and I see the light go inside get a

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snack do whatever

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come back out about 15 minutes later

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look to look at the thunderstorm they

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see how much bigger it got see if I can

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see the lightning because there was only

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one and and so I got back out that

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light's still there and I thought well

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there must be something going on

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so I observe it for a little while and

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then it starts moving toward the kind of

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the East Northeast real slow and I

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thought oh they're coming this way so I

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went in and got a pair of binoculars not

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the greatest one and uh went back out

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looked at it couldn't see much of

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anything

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it kept coming and it came toward

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Carthage where I live I live Southeast

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out in the country and it came to it

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then I'd say about a mile maybe maybe

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we're approximately that and it came and

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it got slower and slower and it stopped

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and through through the binoculars what

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I saw was literally what you're going to

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describe as a disc shaped object with a

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very faint blue glow

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and I thought what is this

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I was thinking military I was thinking

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what's going on

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I watched it probably three minutes four

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minutes five minutes somewhere in that

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kept watching it looked through the

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binoculars didn't do anything it just

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came to a stop it was just sitting there

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and I thought what was going on and then

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this white light came out the center

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right in the center it just come out

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dropped down I don't know I'm guessing

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maybe 50 100 feet stopped

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all right that's one of my my obviously

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Goosebumps and I just remember just

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thinking okay now this is not this is

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something weird and then it started

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moving away to the South and the object

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still stayed still it went South

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probably

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maybe a couple miles come to a stop

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that's when the the object of the disc

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started moving North Northeast real slow

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the white light sped back up

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come up to the craft three barrel barrel

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rolls around it and we'll go all the way

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over the top three times and then went

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back up inside of it and then it started

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speeding up a little bit I hopped in the

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pickup because I'm going to chase it so

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I hop in the pickup and it changed from

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my faint blue to Red bright red and then

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it just sped up probably about 100 miles

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an hour 120 miles an hour I couldn't

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keep up at 80 miles an hour and it left

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and that was my very first one that one

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was like Wow and after that I pay

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attention I look yeah I go out and I

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spent I'd say at least 100 hours maybe

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150 hours outside at night looking I'm

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familiar with the planes I'm familiar

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with the lights I'm familiar with the

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the the

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um I don't know I call them Sky highways

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where the planes go typical yeah routes

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and stuff yeah and uh so that and then

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now with the satellites you know the 30

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years ago you didn't see satellites

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hardly at all now it's just toodles of

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them so that goes got got this all

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started I've seen

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probably the next 25 years or so I've

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seen one driving truck

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down in southern Oklahoma on Highway 69

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this rectangular light

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it's it's long I'd say probably 100

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130 feet long by about probably 30 35 40

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feet tall

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it would appear by cell towers

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for 30 seconds a minute and then it

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would turn off

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and then I'm driving down the highway

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and you know you look down the distance

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and you'd see it pop back on again and

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it did this for probably about two and a

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half hours and it would just kind of pop

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up at a cell tower and then go off and I

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thought my mind always goes back to that

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what is the military doing

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this is this is a weird thing is this a

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blimp is this water they they studying

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how to manipulate things listen to

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things and stuff like that but it just

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did that over maybe five or six powers

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and that was it and then just left and

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then turned off and that was it that's

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all I saw so that's the odd one I saw

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um I've seen what I think or orbs that's

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what I think is going on around here

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right now because when I look through

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the binoculars at the stuff at the Big

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Dipper that was spherical

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they were a spherical object and then

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like a ball and then that was it and

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they were just there was nothing else to

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it it just these objects like moving

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along in a train

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here in the last

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month

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has been

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very interesting I was driving from

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uh

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I think it was Amarillo Texas back here

401
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to Joplin I got to Tulsa Oklahoma

402
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outside of Tulsa Tulsa this was a month

403
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five weeks ago something like that

404
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I'd have to look and anyway I looked and

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you got the light of the city and when

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you're coming into Tulsa you have Hills

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so you don't see the city you just see

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the light and there was a bright large

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you know real faint blue light

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just sitting there

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and I thought okay it's a star and I

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thought no it's not a star and then it

413
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starts moving a little bit I thought

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okay it's a plane I probably took off it

415
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was heading toward me it has its takeoff

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lights on looks bright anyway

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I watch it I'm having to drive trucks so

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I'm driving a truck that weighs you know

419
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nearly 80 000 pounds so I got a lot of

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responsibility on that so I keep

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watching it watching it it moves around

422
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a little bit another jet comes into the

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picture it was red light and then I

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looked it back and the blue light was

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gone just the jet there so you kind of

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00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:32,100
had a comparison it was a big as it had

427
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to be as big as a jet it thought okay

428
00:15:38,689 --> 00:15:36,000
wow that was weird

429
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um drove about another 30 40 minutes got

430
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into what's called Claremore Oklahoma

431
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just to the south of Interstate 44. bam

432
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there's that light again

433
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this time it's about two three hundred

434
00:15:50,569 --> 00:15:48,120
feet above the trees and it's probably

435
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maybe three four or five mile like it's

436
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hard to tell at night

437
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to the South

438
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sit there the whole time I watched it

439
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and I looked over it was gone again I

440
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thought okay two times

441
00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:02,220
that's gets you curiosity going I can't

442
00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:04,320
just write that off

443
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:06,000
good going down the road probably

444
00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:08,880
another 30 miles and there's a meteor

445
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:11,399
come in beautiful blue well not my blue

446
00:16:14,509 --> 00:16:13,199
excuse me green and white and you can

447
00:16:17,150 --> 00:16:14,519
see the pieces coming off of it so I

448
00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:17,160
thought okay meteor trash whatever

449
00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,380
and I turned look back down the road

450
00:16:24,410 --> 00:16:21,360
about 15 seconds later right straight

451
00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,420
down the road probably I don't know not

452
00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:26,160
very high above the road boom big white

453
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:26,940
light

454
00:16:31,850 --> 00:16:29,519
I thought okay now third time

455
00:16:35,150 --> 00:16:31,860
something's up I'm watching it it's

456
00:16:37,610 --> 00:16:35,160
hardly moving it's just drifting kinda

457
00:16:40,189 --> 00:16:37,620
to the north but also kind of toward me

458
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so kind of you'll be going Northwest

459
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and I watched it I was thinking somebody

460
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had their little Piper plane or

461
00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:45,600
something like that and they flipped the

462
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The Landing Lights On by accident and

463
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it's coming at me yeah so it doesn't

464
00:16:52,610 --> 00:16:51,300
seem to be moving so I'm just sitting

465
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,620
here thinking okay somebody's out there

466
00:16:56,689 --> 00:16:54,720
and they hit the wrong switch

467
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and then when I got closer and closer it

468
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was getting closer and closer that's

469
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when I realized that this thing is

470
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hardly moving

471
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there's one large white light one

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medium-sized half the size white light

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pulsating

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and then kind of back to the back top of

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the object a small red light

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and as I got closer that's when I

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realized okay I don't see I see a

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structure but I don't see wings I don't

479
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it's not moving it's just sitting right

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off to the side of the highway

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and I'm straining to look up at it when

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I go by when I look up at it I'm

483
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guessing it probably

484
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probably three to five hundred feet it's

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hard to tell but I had a hill probably

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not even half a mile I can show on the

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map

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that I use that to kind of gauge so I

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knew it was taller than that hill and I

490
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thought that Hill's probably 200 feet

491
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how tall so we're in that vicinity but

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when I looked up at it

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the white lights are on the outside and

494
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they looked really weird they looked

495
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they looked I don't know I can't explain

496
00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:54,620
it it just looked

497
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like a ball and it was a center point of

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light coming out and it was radiating

499
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out from it and then you had the

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pulsating one which was a real slow

501
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:03,720
pulsating and then you had the red one

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as close as I was there was no wings you

503
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had a body kind of shaped kind of oval a

504
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:11,460
little bit

505
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:14,160
you didn't see the craft around it was

506
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glowing with bands of glowing light I

507
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don't know what that was but that's

508
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that's all I could see

509
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that's the one I saw so that night there

510
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was two the two of the blue lights I'm

511
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assuming it may have been all the one

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same thing going on

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um but then you then uh what was it two

514
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weeks ago

515
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I was in coming from Dallas Texas

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through Oklahoma

517
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and there's a town called Pittsburgh

518
00:18:43,490 --> 00:18:41,280
Oklahoma

519
00:18:45,890 --> 00:18:43,500
for about almost an hour I'm driving

520
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toward that area and Pittsburgh sits a

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few miles off the highway

522
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and there is a it's clouded and it's

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sprinkling a little bit from time to

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time and there's no stars and there's

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this one white light at first I thought

526
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a Jet Plane typical you go through your

527
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,780
mind you watch it you think this thing

528
00:19:05,990 --> 00:19:02,640
ain't moving I'm headed north it's north

529
00:19:08,029 --> 00:19:06,000
of me it is closer and closer and then

530
00:19:10,310 --> 00:19:08,039
all of a sudden I saw it lower about

531
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half the distance we're talking

532
00:19:14,450 --> 00:19:12,780
gosh maybe 2000 feet in elevation and it

533
00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:14,460
dropped to half that so probably about a

534
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:15,660
thousand feet it changed from a white

535
00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:18,480
light to a blue light I thought wow this

536
00:19:22,430 --> 00:19:19,380
is weird

537
00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,440
keep driving I'm watching it I look over

538
00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:24,480
at it I'm staring at it for maybe five

539
00:19:27,409 --> 00:19:26,340
seconds ten seconds and also it blinks

540
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,419
off

541
00:19:32,090 --> 00:19:29,280
blinks back on

542
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,100
blinks off on three times blue then four

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times red

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00:19:37,370 --> 00:19:35,880
and I thought wow this is weird and then

545
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when it blinked off on the fourth time

546
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on the red it was gone I don't know okay

547
00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:42,960
that was strange keep driving five

548
00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:44,460
minutes later back up at the same spot

549
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,740
about two thousand feet just sitting

550
00:19:49,730 --> 00:19:48,240
there and when there's a part of the

551
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,740
highway that kind of turns and faces the

552
00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:50,880
Northwest that's when you had a direct

553
00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:53,400
shot look at it and over down there by

554
00:19:57,049 --> 00:19:55,260
Pittsburgh there's a kind of like a

555
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:57,059
little mini mountain range and there's

556
00:19:59,690 --> 00:19:58,559
towns little towns and stuff around

557
00:20:00,830 --> 00:19:59,700
there so it kind of lights up the

558
00:20:02,990 --> 00:20:00,840
mountain so you could tell it was

559
00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:03,000
considerably taller than them Mountain

560
00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:05,820
that was that's what I saw there don't

561
00:20:10,850 --> 00:20:08,940
know what that was and then this is the

562
00:20:12,770 --> 00:20:10,860
only time in my life I've had people

563
00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:12,780
with me to see this

564
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,000
I was getting dropped off by my mom and

565
00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:17,039
her boyfriend over at the terminal in

566
00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:18,600
Joplin I live in Carthage and the truck

567
00:20:24,169 --> 00:20:21,720
was getting worked on in Joplin we're

568
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,179
driving there and I can see just south

569
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,919
of the highway a bright light and it's

570
00:20:28,850 --> 00:20:27,360
real low and I thought this there should

571
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:28,860
be a star there that bright it's really

572
00:20:33,230 --> 00:20:31,980
bright really fairly decent sized and I

573
00:20:34,970 --> 00:20:33,240
pointed out and I said look at that

574
00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:34,980
light I said what are you what is that

575
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,299
when we would when you're looking at it

576
00:20:41,150 --> 00:20:38,880
it's like wow that's weird

577
00:20:42,830 --> 00:20:41,160
we were going over the interstate

578
00:20:44,930 --> 00:20:42,840
highway and it's just sitting there and

579
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:44,940
you could tell it was close probably

580
00:20:49,730 --> 00:20:47,520
half a mile

581
00:20:50,690 --> 00:20:49,740
maybe 300 feet 400 feet in the sky just

582
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,700
sitting there and then all sudden it

583
00:20:57,070 --> 00:20:53,520
took off and what took off it was weird

584
00:20:59,210 --> 00:20:57,080
it didn't it didn't take off

585
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:59,220
I don't know it's just weird it just

586
00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:00,240
like it's sitting there and then all

587
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:02,100
sudden it's just almost like it's at

588
00:21:04,970 --> 00:21:02,820
that

589
00:21:07,070 --> 00:21:04,980
near instantaneous it's just at the

590
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:07,080
speed it's not super fast but I would

591
00:21:10,250 --> 00:21:07,860
say

592
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,260
if you're a hauling butt on in a car on

593
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:11,760
the highway that's about how fast it was

594
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:13,740
going went to the southeast

595
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,559
and it linked the light off to just dim

596
00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:18,960
the light off from very bright to that

597
00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:21,059
really faint where you can see it went

598
00:21:24,529 --> 00:21:22,860
on a little bit more for maybe a couple

599
00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:24,539
more seconds and then that turned off I

600
00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:26,520
mean just like someone flicked a switch

601
00:21:29,870 --> 00:21:28,500
and I was like good you guys saw it

602
00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:29,880
great awesome

603
00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:32,340
and so we're all like guys like well now

604
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:34,380
you can see what I see from ever once in

605
00:21:37,970 --> 00:21:35,700
a great while

606
00:21:39,710 --> 00:21:37,980
then they dropped me off they left and

607
00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:39,720
I'm looking at the sky then and then

608
00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,340
here comes another bright light moving

609
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:43,919
towards Springfield Missouri slow

610
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:46,919
probably 500 800 000 feet it's kind of

611
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,940
hard to tell

612
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:49,440
and it looked just like that other light

613
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,419
and it's going along I'm on the phone

614
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:53,039
with my mother saying do you see that

615
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:55,260
and she goes yeah I see it and then all

616
00:21:57,950 --> 00:21:56,460
of a sudden it went off she goes hey it

617
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,960
went off and I was like yeah but I said

618
00:22:02,090 --> 00:22:00,000
I can still see that faint glow it has

619
00:22:03,950 --> 00:22:02,100
and it went probably another 10 seconds

620
00:22:06,350 --> 00:22:03,960
eight seconds and then shut off

621
00:22:08,990 --> 00:22:06,360
so that's what I'm seeing here I don't

622
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:09,000
know what it is it's not big maybe the

623
00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:10,740
size of a car

624
00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:12,299
so

625
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,760
I love that and especially the the first

626
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:16,320
time you see something I love hearing

627
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:17,700
the first time people see something and

628
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,740
you're sharing that describing it back

629
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,360
um and I think you had the nail on the

630
00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:22,799
head a lot of people listening to this

631
00:22:27,230 --> 00:22:24,780
are obviously interested in the UFO

632
00:22:28,669 --> 00:22:27,240
subject and like you when I speak to

633
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,679
people who maybe don't have as much of

634
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:31,200
an interest and they find it incredible

635
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:32,820
to hear someone's had more than one

636
00:22:37,850 --> 00:22:35,760
sighting because well how unlikely is it

637
00:22:40,490 --> 00:22:37,860
to have one let alone two three four and

638
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:40,500
five but you're right that when you have

639
00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:41,940
a job like you have where you've got a

640
00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:43,500
million and a half two million miles in

641
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:45,539
a truck you are always looking up same

642
00:22:48,529 --> 00:22:47,340
with me when I was walking my dog or if

643
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,539
I'm out and about and it's night time

644
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,159
but if I'm driving back and forward to

645
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,620
Glasgow always looking at the sky with

646
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:54,480
eyes on the road but you can't help but

647
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,100
look up can you with an interest in the

648
00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:58,440
UFO subject so if you're looking up and

649
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:59,700
you're not looking down at a cell phone

650
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,260
and a mobile phone or you know whatever

651
00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:03,360
else is at your feet you're more likely

652
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:05,580
to see something literally a huge Flying

653
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,380
Saucer could come over your head and if

654
00:23:09,770 --> 00:23:08,640
you're standing looking at a phone on

655
00:23:11,870 --> 00:23:09,780
your Facebook you're never going to see

656
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,880
it are you so no you're always more

657
00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:13,559
likely to see stuff looking up but

658
00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:15,539
listen Chad awesome speaking to you and

659
00:23:18,830 --> 00:23:17,100
I do hope to speak again on the calling

660
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:18,840
uh thank you very much for sharing your

661
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:20,039
stories as well

662
00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:22,559
all right I appreciate it next up on the

663
00:23:26,930 --> 00:23:24,419
call-in we're heading over to London and

664
00:23:28,970 --> 00:23:26,940
it is regular caller Tim Tim welcome to

665
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:28,980
the podcast how we doing all right my

666
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,960
friend been a while yeah more more of a

667
00:23:34,669 --> 00:23:33,539
long time listener uh infrequent caller

668
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,679
I feel like it's been a little while

669
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,000
yeah

670
00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:37,980
lesson even for the call-ins it's been

671
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:39,720
it's been a little while because the

672
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:41,880
October Calling I recorded over about

673
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:44,880
three months starting back in June so it

674
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:46,380
has been a while don't worry about that

675
00:23:49,310 --> 00:23:48,059
um but lesson lots lots taking a chat

676
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,320
about so what's what's on your mind

677
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:51,840
first off that's great yeah great

678
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,940
question Lots on my mind

679
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:56,159
um if you put politics aside that that's

680
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:58,440
dominated some of it the last few days

681
00:24:02,450 --> 00:24:01,260
so I'm glad to be rid of that if I'm

682
00:24:03,169 --> 00:24:02,460
honest

683
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:03,179
um

684
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:05,880
yeah I've been really interested in uh

685
00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:08,280
like most people in this report coming

686
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,820
out I mean I uh I I think for for a

687
00:24:17,630 --> 00:24:13,919
laugh I like to get into the speculation

688
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,640
part of it more more because I think

689
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,159
it's entertaining more than anything I

690
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,260
don't think there's actually much Merit

691
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,480
to any of it I I think it's probably

692
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,159
down to

693
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,039
bureaucracy and ineptitude and just red

694
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:30,480
tape getting the thing out the door

695
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:33,240
that's probably what it is

696
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:35,280
um but it is kind of fun to think oh

697
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,260
well you know maybe it's got some

698
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,360
explosive content it needed to rewrite

699
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,000
and you know we couldn't bear we you

700
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,580
know being whoever that might be we

701
00:24:48,770 --> 00:24:46,140
couldn't bear releasing this during the

702
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:48,780
midterms uh we wouldn't want to sway

703
00:24:53,810 --> 00:24:51,419
you know or put an unqualified

704
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:53,820
distraction in front of the electorate

705
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,520
so it's interesting to watch this from a

706
00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:58,320
distance and I also

707
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,179
as an American who's lived abroad a long

708
00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:02,640
time I it's interesting to watch how

709
00:25:10,610 --> 00:25:07,260
this all unfolds with with the topic

710
00:25:13,130 --> 00:25:10,620
as like like a center stage piece in

711
00:25:15,710 --> 00:25:13,140
America I mean for for our let's say

712
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:15,720
small community I've probably even

713
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,340
talked to you about this before but I

714
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:19,440
just find it really

715
00:25:24,169 --> 00:25:22,140
more and more compelling I guess not

716
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,179
interesting but compelling that the US

717
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,100
has such a strong

718
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,860
foothold in this topic because clearly

719
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:31,200
it's happening in many other places in

720
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:33,059
the planet it's well documented it's

721
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:35,460
well researched I mean I've this I was

722
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:37,140
pick I picked this up the other day for

723
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:39,900
for almost 10 quid or less delivered it

724
00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:44,100
was the it's the book by um Dr Lear uh

725
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,539
who went down and talked to the people

726
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:47,580
in Virginia

727
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,200
um and having watched uh James Fox's

728
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,120
really well done documentary that he did

729
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,159
on that I wanted some more information

730
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,320
on that region what's happened down

731
00:26:02,930 --> 00:26:00,720
there and it just goes on and on in this

732
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:02,940
in this book there's so many other

733
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:04,880
kind of documented

734
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,260
well-researched cases in that area it's

735
00:26:11,169 --> 00:26:08,640
such a hot spot

736
00:26:14,029 --> 00:26:11,179
but a Common Thread with a lot of it is

737
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:14,039
the Americans show up and take it the

738
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:16,440
stuff gets sent to the U.S they've

739
00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:18,419
they've clearly got some kind of

740
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:20,460
dominance in this position and it

741
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,559
doesn't surprise me they've been you

742
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:24,480
know since the end of the second world

743
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:26,760
war they've become a very you know

744
00:26:32,330 --> 00:26:30,600
powerful force so yeah I I keep a I keep

745
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,340
a watchful eye on it I sort of used to

746
00:26:36,529 --> 00:26:34,559
complain about it I mean like why you

747
00:26:38,570 --> 00:26:36,539
know why does America dominate the the

748
00:26:40,730 --> 00:26:38,580
conversation here you know clearly these

749
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:40,740
things don't just happen there

750
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:43,919
um but for for some some reason they are

751
00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:46,260
they are the seemingly the top of the

752
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,539
food chain in this in this topic and

753
00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:50,640
maybe that reason will be revealed in

754
00:26:54,110 --> 00:26:51,960
the near future

755
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:54,120
yeah the first one first one we'll go

756
00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,380
with the second point with the U.S

757
00:27:00,409 --> 00:26:58,260
stronghold on this and

758
00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,419
I can kind of see why to be honest

759
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:02,940
someone had to suppose be the one to

760
00:27:06,830 --> 00:27:05,039
take the lead in something that if we're

761
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,840
going to say it really kicked off in the

762
00:27:11,149 --> 00:27:09,179
40s not that they didn't have some kind

763
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:11,159
of knowledge or maybe an incline before

764
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:14,100
that but someone had to take the lead

765
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:15,900
and be like you know what is this and

766
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:18,720
classify it to have a military approach

767
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:20,460
have a governmental approach have

768
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,039
classified programs and at that point

769
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,960
I'm probably right and say in the US and

770
00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:26,880
in terms of the powerful Nations was was

771
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,679
the superpower

772
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:31,200
um you know it was World War II was just

773
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,500
finishing mid mid late 40s

774
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,419
um Russia was pretty strong but

775
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,980
technologically not as advanced as the

776
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,320
US I'm probably right insane

777
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,480
um China again I'm not too sure where

778
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:43,919
they were at again I don't think would

779
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,679
have been where the US was so so yeah I

780
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,480
get why the us would have been and I

781
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,940
think even speaking to some guests it

782
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:52,740
sounds to me like especially places like

783
00:27:58,610 --> 00:27:56,340
Brazil are quite happy to hand over you

784
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,620
know to to the US and sort of say yep

785
00:28:01,970 --> 00:28:00,240
yeah it's fine you take you take hold of

786
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,980
it maybe in the background those

787
00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:04,320
conversations are had at high levels to

788
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:05,880
say if anything happens in terms of

789
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:09,000
crashes of anomalous stuff you know

790
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:10,559
maybe in your best interest to hand it

791
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,240
over to us no doubt some kind of

792
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:14,640
monetary exchange technology Aid

793
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:16,440
whatever it might be with various

794
00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:18,179
countries and I can see that and I

795
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:20,039
suppose that's why maybe from a UK point

796
00:28:26,029 --> 00:28:22,020
of view as well we'll have an interest

797
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,039
but again be happy to defer to the US to

798
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:27,840
be like yeah something happened you want

799
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,460
to come and deal with us

800
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:31,860
because for whatever reason

801
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:34,020
they they want to be well for for very

802
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:35,460
well known reasons and others I'm sure

803
00:28:39,890 --> 00:28:37,380
but they want to be the ones in charge

804
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:39,900
and do the the crash retrievals they've

805
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,580
maybe got the kind of best heads up on

806
00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:43,380
it and maybe some countries again just

807
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,020
using the UK don't want that high level

808
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:48,720
involvement in whatever this might be

809
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:50,159
that's a really good point I've not

810
00:28:54,409 --> 00:28:52,260
thought of it that way and it's you know

811
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,419
I've not in the 10 years I've lived here

812
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,120
I've not heavily scrutinized or our

813
00:29:03,409 --> 00:29:00,480
involvement here with the topic but we

814
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:03,419
tend to since that conflict since that

815
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,539
war differ to the Americans on a lot of

816
00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:09,840
things I mean to our East in Europe as

817
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:12,659
well always a well-balanced uh kind of

818
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:15,480
country in that respect but I mean from

819
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:16,980
a military perspective and defense

820
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,520
perspective it's it's all it's all USA

821
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,679
it seems like in

822
00:29:27,649 --> 00:29:24,240
yeah I

823
00:29:30,169 --> 00:29:27,659
I wish sometimes our

824
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:30,179
security apparatus and defense apparatus

825
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:32,220
here in the UK we're more

826
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,440
involved in this uh and and maybe they

827
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:35,940
are they're just tight-lipped about it

828
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:37,799
and that's maybe that's some some

829
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:39,720
directive from our friends in America

830
00:29:44,810 --> 00:29:42,419
but just across the channel on a clear

831
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,820
enough day you can see France and

832
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:47,039
they're far more open about it

833
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,100
very culturally different uh doesn't

834
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:51,840
mean people don't Snicker and sneer my

835
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,760
wife's French and you know she rolls her

836
00:29:57,850 --> 00:29:55,200
eyes about all this stuff and I'm like

837
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:57,860
your government has done a fantastic job

838
00:30:02,810 --> 00:29:59,940
documenting this and being very open

839
00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:02,820
about it uh you you of all people should

840
00:30:07,610 --> 00:30:05,880
should uh take that seriously but but

841
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:07,620
any event it's um

842
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:10,679
it's a dynamic I think is going to start

843
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:13,140
breaking down just you know there's a

844
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,419
whole lot of

845
00:30:20,269 --> 00:30:18,480
citizen Witnesses coming out that like

846
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:20,279
just just a heart back on the the James

847
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,500
Fox stuff just because it's so recent in

848
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,539
my mind from the other day having

849
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,640
watched that documentary and seen his

850
00:30:33,470 --> 00:30:30,000
other bits as well from from years ago

851
00:30:35,630 --> 00:30:33,480
sometimes it's you know the the weight

852
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:35,640
of the evidence of some of this stuff is

853
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:38,940
just gonna be enough I think to push

854
00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,919
Society into thinking about this stuff

855
00:30:46,850 --> 00:30:43,980
differently it's not going to be some 5K

856
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:46,860
you know eight gigabyte 30 second video

857
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:49,559
that's going to tell all and even then

858
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:50,760
people are just going to be like oh

859
00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,000
that's a deep fake or you know that's BS

860
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:57,000
um so I I think it's I think it's this

861
00:31:02,330 --> 00:30:58,860
there's many legs to the stool here

862
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:02,340
proverbially and I think you know the

863
00:31:08,169 --> 00:31:05,580
US's involvement the Congressional sort

864
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,179
of report is one of them the cooperation

865
00:31:14,090 --> 00:31:11,220
uh from the defense and security

866
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:14,100
uh agencies Air Force seemingly

867
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,020
notwithstanding they're they're fairly

868
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:18,240
muted in a lot of this I always find

869
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,100
that a bit interesting the U.S Air Force

870
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:22,799
are sort of toxically

871
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,080
tight-lipped and quiet about this stuff

872
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,240
I mean what do you think about that I

873
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,279
mean that's that's interesting right I

874
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:31,020
mean that there's nothing novel in that

875
00:31:35,690 --> 00:31:33,779
that uh that concept but it's very

876
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,700
interesting the Air Force

877
00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:37,679
and all of this they're very quiet

878
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:39,659
do you know what I'll put my

879
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,659
I'll put my Air Force sympathizer hat on

880
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:44,940
just for a second then okay because I

881
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:45,779
think

882
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:47,460
um just to play Devil's Advocate which I

883
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:50,640
like to do I reckon that various parts

884
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:52,919
of the US government and other other

885
00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,860
areas like the Navy and such come across

886
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,380
accidentally U.S Air Force secret Tech

887
00:32:02,990 --> 00:32:00,840
now and again when they're not meant to

888
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,000
or maybe there is some testing goes on

889
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,559
and it's on on people which I don't

890
00:32:07,610 --> 00:32:06,240
doubt most governments do that that

891
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:07,620
happens

892
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:10,260
um and there's historical evidence for

893
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:13,320
that uh but I would also

894
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:16,080
understand why not agreeing with it but

895
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:18,899
understand why they have had a long held

896
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:20,460
silence on the topic because again

897
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:22,919
they've held a lot of the cards for this

898
00:32:27,169 --> 00:32:24,779
for a long long time and maybe they're

899
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:27,179
now losing some of that Monopoly on the

900
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,220
conversation the technology the progress

901
00:32:33,789 --> 00:32:31,320
and the future of it and they don't want

902
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:33,799
to lose that and why would you you know

903
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,080
if you are if you were like Rich Telecom

904
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:39,840
in the UK who at one point ran the UK's

905
00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:42,000
phone line system and then you had

906
00:32:45,169 --> 00:32:43,500
Monopoly over this new thing called the

907
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:45,179
internet and you could charge everyone

908
00:32:48,769 --> 00:32:47,100
whatever you wanted and you had to say

909
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:48,779
someone how it was run and then Virgin

910
00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:51,240
Media come along and ntl televest as it

911
00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:53,940
was at the time and Skye and talk talk

912
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,620
and all of a sudden all these other

913
00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:57,840
companies want a piece of that pie now

914
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,640
that's a commercial thing but you then

915
00:33:03,169 --> 00:33:01,440
take it to military level and you know

916
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,179
private contractors being involved in

917
00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,120
the trillions of dollars at stake with

918
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:08,100
that and then all of a sudden you have

919
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:09,539
people poking their nose in your

920
00:33:13,250 --> 00:33:11,220
business your money your Affairs the

921
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,260
power that must go on at that level and

922
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:14,880
the conversations I just don't want to

923
00:33:20,450 --> 00:33:18,720
be had so I can see why the US Air Force

924
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,460
are staying as tight-lipped as long as

925
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:22,200
possible they're very powerful even

926
00:33:26,509 --> 00:33:24,179
within their own government

927
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,519
um I get that and you mentioned Tim on

928
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:28,440
on the report itself I've seen some

929
00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,760
people earlier and I was having a bit of

930
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:31,320
a chat on I've had a busy weekend so

931
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,960
I've been not on social media as much

932
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:36,240
um but one of the listeners or at least

933
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:39,779
a Twitter uh follow our commenter was uh

934
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,740
saying that you know Ryan UFO Jesus was

935
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,539
talking about the the report and how it

936
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:46,799
should be bigger and better than the

937
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,080
first one and I just made the point that

938
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:50,640
yeah even though it's the second it's

939
00:33:54,889 --> 00:33:52,679
not by the same people and the office

940
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,899
has changed names since then and Sean

941
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:56,820
Kirkpatrick goes in charge of it Dr Sean

942
00:34:01,730 --> 00:33:58,500
Kirkpatrick who has had what six or

943
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:01,740
seven months as far as we know to put

944
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,779
this together I just go back to the fact

945
00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,820
that luella's on doing Chris melon last

946
00:34:11,089 --> 00:34:08,040
year when the first preliminary report

947
00:34:13,730 --> 00:34:11,099
was coming out kept saying on mainstream

948
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:13,740
news that really this needs two to three

949
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,639
years

950
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:16,800
to put a full comprehensive report

951
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,599
together and really get your teeth into

952
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:20,879
this subject and pull the data that's

953
00:34:25,790 --> 00:34:22,980
required to just move forward

954
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:25,800
so I don't see why our second follow-up

955
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:28,080
report by a different team for a

956
00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:30,119
different office less than a year after

957
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,859
the last one with only six months to put

958
00:34:35,570 --> 00:34:33,300
it together is going to be that

959
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:35,580
groundbreaking so I agree with you in

960
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:36,899
the first place that I don't think it's

961
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:38,580
been held back through any conspiracy

962
00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:40,500
theory really I think it's to do with

963
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,619
red tape bureaucracy probably hands been

964
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,839
tied behind her back as Chris melon used

965
00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:48,419
to say about the the last report

966
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,280
um and I think again it's going to be

967
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:52,440
tentative baby steps that this is funded

968
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:55,440
to 2026. hopefully the the reports

969
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,940
continue to come and with each one we

970
00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:59,520
see progress and movement on those yeah

971
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,619
and for me there'll be some interesting

972
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:03,359
stuff in there but I don't think we're

973
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:05,339
going to get pictures and

974
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:08,520
testimony and Smoking Gun stuff is going

975
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,099
to be someone's attempt at their first

976
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:13,440
report on this topic as best they could

977
00:35:19,609 --> 00:35:16,500
in six months yeah it'd probably be some

978
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,619
Excel spreadsheet looking pasted in

979
00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:21,960
their figures about numbers of things

980
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:24,420
reported I mean it's not I don't think

981
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:25,320
it's going to be particularly

982
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:27,900
interesting I I set the bar low just

983
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:30,300
because I've seen one already you know

984
00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:31,440
so it's

985
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,960
well what we do know yeah what we're

986
00:35:37,490 --> 00:35:35,940
doing always from people online at

987
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:37,500
Julian Barnes New York Times article

988
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,040
cited that half the reports within the

989
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:42,480
the unclassified version that should

990
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,060
come out is going to say that there are

991
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,520
around 366.

992
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:49,740
reports of which half of them have been

993
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,660
identified as drones Airborne clutter

994
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:54,240
and misidentifications which is great so

995
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:55,619
if we're still going off the basis so

996
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,839
there's around 180.

997
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,000
you could even then see half of those

998
00:36:03,950 --> 00:36:01,920
are just not been investigated to the to

999
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:03,960
the level or they can't investigate them

1000
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:06,240
to the level that need to show that it

1001
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:08,040
was some kind of Chinese drone or U.S

1002
00:36:11,390 --> 00:36:09,540
drone or something they came across they

1003
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:11,400
weren't quite sure but it wasn't alien

1004
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,020
it only needs to have that handful

1005
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,640
doesn't it have really unexplained and

1006
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:16,560
that's even I think was the ultimate

1007
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:18,780
frustration enjoying Barnes article that

1008
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:21,060
it was so dismissive of well yeah half

1009
00:36:25,069 --> 00:36:23,400
of them I used the analogy that imagine

1010
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,079
Tim that you went up for your company

1011
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:27,420
for awards and you're up for 10 awards

1012
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,800
for you know businessmen of the Year

1013
00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:30,960
salesman of the year and you what you

1014
00:36:34,730 --> 00:36:33,180
walk away winning five of them no one's

1015
00:36:36,890 --> 00:36:34,740
going to go into this guy's up for 10

1016
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,900
Awards and only one half of them yeah

1017
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:38,640
you're walking up with five Awards and

1018
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,440
that's that's it you're just focusing on

1019
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,480
the negative rather than yeah stuff

1020
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,940
that's the other news followed up yeah

1021
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:47,280
and I appreciate you uh nominating me

1022
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,320
for fictitious Awards I appreciate that

1023
00:36:55,069 --> 00:36:51,359
man I yeah I like that you think I could

1024
00:36:58,569 --> 00:36:55,079
even win an award yeah yeah but I think

1025
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:02,930
yeah yeah it's it's all yeah I think

1026
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:06,000
that I think that uh that article

1027
00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:07,560
actually wasn't something I was going to

1028
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:09,540
comment on but now that she mentioned it

1029
00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:12,800
I I find it very

1030
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:16,680
confusing because the New York Times is

1031
00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:18,060
definitely

1032
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,280
Peak journalism in a lot of ways it's

1033
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:21,839
the Pinnacle of

1034
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:24,660
uh quality journalism generally I mean

1035
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:26,460
to this minute think it's one of the

1036
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,500
best papers in the world

1037
00:37:32,569 --> 00:37:30,720
um you know behind demand and you know

1038
00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:32,579
several others the guardian I still hold

1039
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:36,900
hold in high regard uh but they've made

1040
00:37:41,690 --> 00:37:38,400
mistakes before I mean they're not

1041
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:41,700
infallible I mean back in the

1042
00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:45,000
Iraq war in the bush eras excuse me Iraq

1043
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:48,599
II uh there was a whole there was a

1044
00:37:52,609 --> 00:37:50,760
whole Miss there's a whole row they had

1045
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:52,619
about um

1046
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:55,560
National Security with um weapons of

1047
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:57,060
mass destruction existing or not

1048
00:38:01,970 --> 00:37:59,940
existing uh and there's a security

1049
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:01,980
correspondent or editor called James

1050
00:38:07,910 --> 00:38:05,640
risen I think his name was and he had a

1051
00:38:08,930 --> 00:38:07,920
piece that was ready to go about there

1052
00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:08,940
being

1053
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:10,859
you know nothing there nothing to see

1054
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:13,320
this is not what it is don't you know

1055
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:14,760
don't believe this we're not we

1056
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:16,920
shouldn't you know be proceeding on this

1057
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:20,400
basis and the Pentagon and the editorial

1058
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:22,140
powers of the New York Times shut it

1059
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,300
down because they had a different agenda

1060
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:26,820
uh and this is all this is all well

1061
00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:28,619
evidenced I mean I'm not suggesting you

1062
00:38:32,569 --> 00:38:30,480
put it in the links uh or anything like

1063
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,579
you normally do but this is a this is

1064
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:34,079
one of many examples for the New York

1065
00:38:38,810 --> 00:38:36,540
Times made a powerful editorial decision

1066
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:38,820
based on a buddy buddy relationship with

1067
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:40,680
the US defense department

1068
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:44,400
uh yeah so it's it's but but then in

1069
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,880
2017 they had that Pinnacle article we

1070
00:38:52,910 --> 00:38:50,880
all sort of Revere and talk about all

1071
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:52,920
the time so they're they're capable of

1072
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:55,380
doing it both ways in some respects it's

1073
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:56,940
like here's here's this really

1074
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:58,800
interesting you should look at and

1075
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:01,380
then five years later it's uh well a lot

1076
00:39:05,690 --> 00:39:03,420
of it's you know Batman balloons and

1077
00:39:07,930 --> 00:39:05,700
Chinese Tech that make right angle turns

1078
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,940
like this this kind of stuff it's really

1079
00:39:13,130 --> 00:39:10,380
it's really interesting to see them kind

1080
00:39:14,510 --> 00:39:13,140
of saturate The Narrative with with both

1081
00:39:15,050 --> 00:39:14,520
sides of it

1082
00:39:17,569 --> 00:39:15,060
um

1083
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:17,579
which is you know indicative of some

1084
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,520
kind of counterintelligence work I mean

1085
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,960
I wouldn't be surprised if there were

1086
00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:24,300
being fed this stuff and running with

1087
00:39:28,609 --> 00:39:26,420
some of it not running with other bits

1088
00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:28,619
uh but

1089
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:30,839
isn't it isn't it I mean I guess the

1090
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:31,980
headline there should have been

1091
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,140
different though I mean if that that

1092
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:36,000
should have been on the front page if

1093
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:39,300
you know airspace is restricted airspace

1094
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,980
is constantly interdict you know

1095
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,660
constantly filled with Chinese Tech we

1096
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:45,119
don't understand that's not good either

1097
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,420
so you know that's that's also very

1098
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:51,599
confusing but hey

1099
00:39:55,130 --> 00:39:53,760
foreign yeah there was like there was a

1100
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:55,140
huge bias wasn't there in the way it was

1101
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:56,280
written and I think that was a

1102
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:58,020
disappointing thing and yeah if you want

1103
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:01,320
to call it the the anti anti-uf article

1104
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,720
to to Leslie Kane Helene Cooper and

1105
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,520
Ralph laurenthal's original work then

1106
00:40:09,050 --> 00:40:07,560
then yeah and there was a lot of fair

1107
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:09,060
points in it it's just the way that work

1108
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,099
was put across so it wasn't like he was

1109
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,720
lying but like you see it does recover

1110
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,520
Someone putting in a phone call to

1111
00:40:17,930 --> 00:40:16,079
someone to say here look do you want to

1112
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,940
write this article and we'll give you

1113
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:19,560
some some kind of heads up and a bit of

1114
00:40:23,390 --> 00:40:22,440
a scoop Yeah Tim lesson uh we've went on

1115
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,400
a little bit but it's always good

1116
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:24,720
hearing from you your points have been

1117
00:40:28,609 --> 00:40:26,820
uh Broad and varied as well which is

1118
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:28,619
always good for a call in so uh do call

1119
00:40:34,250 --> 00:40:30,839
in again mate thanks mate talk to you

1120
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:37,310
and finally on the listener Colin we

1121
00:40:43,130 --> 00:40:40,920
have Mike out in Arizona Mike how are we

1122
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,140
hey it's an is an absolute pleasure to

1123
00:40:47,150 --> 00:40:45,960
be here and thanks for having me uh you

1124
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,160
know just just a little bit of a

1125
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:49,740
backstory on me I've been chasing this

1126
00:40:55,250 --> 00:40:53,400
for for over 30 years uh I remember when

1127
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:55,260
when I was in college I I used to

1128
00:41:00,349 --> 00:40:57,300
snowboard a lot and ahead of a giant

1129
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,359
gray on my snowboard and underneath it

1130
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:03,000
said believe and and I'd strike up

1131
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:05,880
conversations with people uh in a lift

1132
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,780
line

1133
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:08,460
um and everyone were very discreetly

1134
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,680
kind of talk about it and and I'd listen

1135
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:12,480
to the Art Bell show in the middle of

1136
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,060
the night and and it was just something

1137
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:18,060
that is entirely different the way it is

1138
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:19,380
today

1139
00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:23,339
there's there's your podcast there's you

1140
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:24,599
know without people looking at you're

1141
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:27,300
like you're crazy and um

1142
00:41:33,650 --> 00:41:30,720
so uh I I have like I said never had an

1143
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,660
experience uh despite so many efforts I

1144
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,400
mean I was even in Phoenix during the

1145
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:37,500
Phoenix Lights but it just so happened I

1146
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:38,940
was in college at the time I went and

1147
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,800
had a little bit too much fun that night

1148
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,200
and partied passed out early everybody

1149
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:45,359
else came back with this big story and I

1150
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,060
didn't see nothing so uh I I tell you

1151
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:50,880
your your podcast is is tremendous

1152
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,960
because I feel like uh it's it's a group

1153
00:41:59,569 --> 00:41:56,880
of people that that are discussing a

1154
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:59,579
topic that that is so important to me

1155
00:42:01,790 --> 00:42:00,720
because

1156
00:42:07,609 --> 00:42:01,800
I

1157
00:42:09,950 --> 00:42:07,619
not only to to why we're here uh you

1158
00:42:11,810 --> 00:42:09,960
know the existence of a God I mean who

1159
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:11,820
knows you know what all this could

1160
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:14,940
answer and it's frustrating especially

1161
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:16,980
as somebody that was in the military I

1162
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:19,260
was active duty military which I never

1163
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,000
dared talk about this during the time

1164
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:22,920
that was in the 90s yeah they would have

1165
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:25,160
pulled my security clearance in a minute

1166
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,480
uh and then I was in federal law

1167
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,960
enforcement and uh I gotta tell you um

1168
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:33,359
it's frustrating because this secret

1169
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:36,780
doesn't belong to to just one country or

1170
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:38,820
or just a group of bureaucrats or

1171
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,579
generals or whatever and and the way you

1172
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:43,740
guys get after it and and present

1173
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,160
everything in in such a uh a reasonable

1174
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:49,920
and and just informative manner I gotta

1175
00:42:53,329 --> 00:42:51,119
tell you Dan has more of an

1176
00:42:55,250 --> 00:42:53,339
understanding of U.S legislation than I

1177
00:42:57,230 --> 00:42:55,260
do and he don't even live here

1178
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,240
um and I guess you guys playing all the

1179
00:43:01,190 --> 00:43:00,000
time uh my girlfriend's from Mexico she

1180
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,200
could care less if there's there's

1181
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:04,020
aliens or not uh she's never never seen

1182
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,540
any ufo-wise she don't understand Andy

1183
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:08,160
to save her life

1184
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:09,359
um and I keep trying to have to

1185
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,859
translate for you

1186
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,480
um but God bless her she she don't care

1187
00:43:16,490 --> 00:43:15,359
either so it's just such a great place

1188
00:43:19,069 --> 00:43:16,500
to be

1189
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,079
um to come and and talk with like-minded

1190
00:43:24,050 --> 00:43:21,780
people that that you know are are just

1191
00:43:25,970 --> 00:43:24,060
kind of level-headed and clear and and

1192
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,980
so that was really the the primary

1193
00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:27,900
reason that I wanted to call was to say

1194
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:31,140
thank you I found you guys uh well over

1195
00:43:35,690 --> 00:43:32,760
a year ago

1196
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,700
um I was late to the the podcast game

1197
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:38,160
um a little bit uh uh

1198
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,740
um you know later in my years um

1199
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,480
and it's just something that that I

1200
00:43:46,430 --> 00:43:45,060
never uh really pursued but

1201
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:46,440
um you've been there through difficult

1202
00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:49,859
times for me uh and it's just uh it's

1203
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,240
just wonderful to be able to call and

1204
00:43:55,370 --> 00:43:53,640
acknowledge the work that you do there

1205
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,380
is one thing that I want to share on on

1206
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,260
FY and and God bless John man that that

1207
00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:00,780
guy been watching him since he was 15

1208
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:03,000
chase after this documentation in the US

1209
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:05,940
government yeah and so as someone that

1210
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:08,579
that had um I'll never forget when when

1211
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:12,000
I went to to a desk job for a while

1212
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,540
um they gave me an foi exempt stamp and

1213
00:44:19,550 --> 00:44:17,760
it just said foi exempt and the guy

1214
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,560
literally that was training me said to

1215
00:44:24,349 --> 00:44:21,839
me if you don't want to answer this

1216
00:44:27,230 --> 00:44:24,359
excuse my French or or you know you this

1217
00:44:29,150 --> 00:44:27,240
is just just stamp it with this and and

1218
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:29,160
we can all move on and it goes into a

1219
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:31,319
separate section of the file and I was

1220
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,420
like well you know what what exactly

1221
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,339
does exempt mean well there's a whole

1222
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:36,720
policy on it but don't worry about it

1223
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,359
you're kind of the gatekeeper and I

1224
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,280
thought well you know that that's just

1225
00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:42,900
that doesn't seem like appropriate in

1226
00:44:48,109 --> 00:44:45,780
any way and and I heard Lou Elizondo

1227
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,119
talk about when these foi requests come

1228
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,460
in and he's right

1229
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:52,440
um you're a guy that that's doing a job

1230
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,599
that that really requires you know 18

1231
00:45:01,329 --> 00:44:57,420
hours a day but you got eight and here

1232
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,339
comes some foi request and and it is

1233
00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:04,079
so dependent on the person that gets it

1234
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,040
what their agenda is uh and and so you

1235
00:45:12,109 --> 00:45:09,839
know when when you're chasing the foi

1236
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,119
just just keep that in mind and

1237
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,119
um it's uh it's fascinating to be on the

1238
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,800
back end of that and and then the last

1239
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,240
little little thing that I'll share with

1240
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,920
you that that's relevant is I used to

1241
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,040
work with an FBI agent uh on a task

1242
00:45:28,490 --> 00:45:25,740
force and he had the the agent Mulder

1243
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,500
poster in his office like like prominent

1244
00:45:33,050 --> 00:45:31,380
behind his desk and and I remember I got

1245
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:33,060
so giddy when I walked in and I was like

1246
00:45:37,490 --> 00:45:34,500
man I want to talk to this guy about it

1247
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,500
and uh I said so you know hey man you

1248
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,880
know I believe we're like what's up with

1249
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:41,760
that oh no no they exist they exist and

1250
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,099
I said uh we'll we'll you care to share

1251
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:46,079
more because I can't and I go really

1252
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:48,839
you're gonna do me like this and and uh

1253
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:50,700
you know those are those are the only

1254
00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:52,740
experiences that I got like you know as

1255
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:54,500
far as that are relevant in this world

1256
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,300
uh other than like I said just just the

1257
00:46:01,849 --> 00:45:59,160
ability to say thank you so much Andy

1258
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:01,859
man you got a hell of a podcast and in

1259
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:04,020
the interviews that you do dude they're

1260
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,520
so sought out and they're so

1261
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:08,160
professional and and uh I mean you would

1262
00:46:12,130 --> 00:46:09,660
have think that you've been a host for

1263
00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:12,140
years man this is outstanding

1264
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,760
thank you mate you're gonna Grant

1265
00:46:18,829 --> 00:46:16,319
Cameron a run for his money for me

1266
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,839
introducing someone and then talking uh

1267
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,870
it feels like it was yesterday I said uh

1268
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,260
what do you want to talk about so no

1269
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:26,940
that was really appreciated me like I've

1270
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:28,380
made some notes as you've kind of went

1271
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,520
through

1272
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:32,400
um listen podcast twice I've always said

1273
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,960
I've never had I'm a huge fan of

1274
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:36,000
podcasting and podcasts I've been

1275
00:46:40,609 --> 00:46:38,040
listening to them for for going back

1276
00:46:42,650 --> 00:46:40,619
like 11 or 12 years the first podcast

1277
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:42,660
for anyone who's interested

1278
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:45,180
um it's not UFO related I used to listen

1279
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,180
to a guy's show in the UK called Ian Lee

1280
00:46:53,870 --> 00:46:51,119
and um for people who don't know Ian Lee

1281
00:46:55,370 --> 00:46:53,880
he was the host of a show called the 10

1282
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:55,380
o'clock show

1283
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:59,520
Ricky Gervais got his Big Break um and

1284
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,200
it's really funny because this guy Ian

1285
00:47:07,130 --> 00:47:04,260
Lee was the main guy on this show yet

1286
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,140
the the backup characters were Ricky

1287
00:47:12,829 --> 00:47:10,560
Gervais and Sasha Baron Cohen as Ali G

1288
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:12,839
who both went on to be major names in

1289
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,760
Hollywood and this guy Ian Lee never

1290
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,859
quite made it the way they did and he

1291
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:18,480
had a podcast and I used to find it

1292
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:21,119
hilarious so I've had many many years of

1293
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,619
listening to podcast nice and different

1294
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:25,020
genres of podcasting so I've probably

1295
00:47:28,370 --> 00:47:27,000
stolen a little bit from everyone I

1296
00:47:30,290 --> 00:47:28,380
listen to

1297
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,300
um but if people like it that's amazing

1298
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:31,680
because I think the one thing that

1299
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:33,900
always held me back from starting a

1300
00:47:38,510 --> 00:47:36,060
podcast years ago

1301
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:38,520
um was would anyone listen to it and it

1302
00:47:43,010 --> 00:47:41,339
genuinely is unbelievable anyone anyone

1303
00:47:45,829 --> 00:47:43,020
does let alone the people that do know

1304
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,839
so and yourself mate so thank you and um

1305
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:47,520
you know thanks to your your girlfriend

1306
00:47:51,650 --> 00:47:49,980
who probably doesn't understand the word

1307
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:51,660
I'm seeing when you play this back to

1308
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,800
her

1309
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:55,380
um but uh yeah a few things that you

1310
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,579
touched on so

1311
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,680
never haven't had a sighting like it's

1312
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,720
funny how many people get in touch with

1313
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:02,880
me and do say that that they're huge

1314
00:48:07,790 --> 00:48:05,760
fans of the UFO topic and subject but

1315
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,800
they themselves have never seen anything

1316
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:10,680
and they're desperate to see it

1317
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,500
um and I could I could make up and say

1318
00:48:18,170 --> 00:48:15,599
that since I started this podcast I've

1319
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:18,180
had lots of different experiences and

1320
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:20,520
sightings and I haven't

1321
00:48:24,829 --> 00:48:22,319
um nothing worth talking about you know

1322
00:48:26,450 --> 00:48:24,839
I've saw stuff in the sky that was more

1323
00:48:28,130 --> 00:48:26,460
than likely a satellite or something

1324
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:28,140
like that you know but it'd be nothing

1325
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:29,940
worth coming on to see I saw some lights

1326
00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:32,040
in the sky so it is really really

1327
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:35,400
strange ironic that so many people enjoy

1328
00:48:39,650 --> 00:48:37,500
the topic but haven't had an experience

1329
00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,660
themselves and I don't know if there's

1330
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:41,400
anything to that I think like you see it

1331
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,960
is just your luck like you say that

1332
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:44,520
night in the Phoenix Lights that you

1333
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:46,920
went had a a really good night at

1334
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,980
college but you know you missed one of

1335
00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:51,480
the most famous sightings and mass

1336
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,220
sightings in history

1337
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:55,440
um but it's as an honesty that you know

1338
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:56,460
if it's going to happen it's going to

1339
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:57,720
happen happen and I think it's just

1340
00:49:02,270 --> 00:48:59,040
being in the right place at the right

1341
00:49:04,130 --> 00:49:02,280
time when it comes to a lot of that uh I

1342
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,140
like that you said that there is an

1343
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:06,780
answer to this this topic

1344
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:08,400
um I still think we're looking for a lot

1345
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,780
of the questions let alone the answers

1346
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:11,280
because

1347
00:49:15,890 --> 00:49:13,859
even since I began the podcast I used to

1348
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:15,900
think you know like I think most people

1349
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,660
you come into the UFO topic with the

1350
00:49:22,550 --> 00:49:20,400
idea that is there something coming from

1351
00:49:23,930 --> 00:49:22,560
another planet to visit us which is

1352
00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,940
incredible enough

1353
00:49:27,710 --> 00:49:25,619
and once you spend a little bit of time

1354
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:27,720
in it listening to different people

1355
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:29,760
and you start to hear different names

1356
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:31,800
whether it's Stephen greerland among how

1357
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,680
Grant Cameron Stephen Bassett Louis

1358
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,480
zondo Chris melon all these different

1359
00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:38,160
sides of offense

1360
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,720
and then all of a sudden it's like wait

1361
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:41,339
a minute different dimensions you know

1362
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,780
they're on the planet they're off Planet

1363
00:49:45,890 --> 00:49:44,400
they're different realities they're

1364
00:49:49,069 --> 00:49:45,900
spiritual they're not spiritual it's

1365
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:49,079
Angels it's demons and it's crazy how

1366
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:50,880
how deep you can go down the rabbit hole

1367
00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:51,900
but

1368
00:49:55,609 --> 00:49:53,579
I think for me a lot of that is what

1369
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:55,619
keeps it fascinating and I get why that

1370
00:50:01,370 --> 00:49:58,500
frustrates so many people as well

1371
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,380
um just to ask you where do you sit Mike

1372
00:50:06,829 --> 00:50:03,839
and I you know what what this phenomenon

1373
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:06,839
is have you got a rough hypothesis you

1374
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:08,940
work with if someone asks you well what

1375
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:10,740
do you think's flying these things

1376
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:14,640
yeah I mean I look at it uh

1377
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:17,460
the the level at least from the U.S

1378
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:19,260
military start side of the house and I I

1379
00:50:25,010 --> 00:50:21,540
spent eight years as an officer in the

1380
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:25,020
Army and and the level of uh you know

1381
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:27,780
safety concerns and and cross training

1382
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,420
and everything that goes with it I I

1383
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:33,119
would I would be so blown away and

1384
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,660
flabbergasted if this was somehow uh you

1385
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:38,160
know whether it was private sector or

1386
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:40,680
military uh you know kind of practicing

1387
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:42,300
against our ships and doing something

1388
00:50:46,970 --> 00:50:44,339
without us knowing and getting this

1389
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:46,980
close to pilots and and and and having

1390
00:50:51,230 --> 00:50:49,500
uh you know soldiers that that are

1391
00:50:54,530 --> 00:50:51,240
literally stepping forward going you

1392
00:50:57,290 --> 00:50:54,540
know I I've got physical ailments as a

1393
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,300
result of this Etc without letting us

1394
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:59,520
know like like I just I can't buy into

1395
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:00,780
that

1396
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:03,960
um after watching uh Russia's absolute

1397
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:06,359
you know goat rope of an invasion into a

1398
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,859
country I can't believe they got

1399
00:51:12,349 --> 00:51:09,599
something like this

1400
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:12,359
um yeah I just I can only imagine that

1401
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:14,520
it's off world but real quick going back

1402
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,119
to to what you said you know even if

1403
00:51:23,150 --> 00:51:20,160
there aren't any answers but they can

1404
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:23,160
just tell us this ain't us period

1405
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,680
meaning the human race then all of a

1406
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:27,839
sudden man that cracks open the can of

1407
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:30,540
discussion to so many different things

1408
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:33,839
that I I just I don't know it depends on

1409
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:35,220
who you're talking to like I said my

1410
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,380
girlfriend is from Mexico she's a

1411
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:39,359
practicing Catholic that's the only

1412
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:41,700
story she's got and and she's sticking

1413
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,760
to it whereas me I I you know for a long

1414
00:51:49,130 --> 00:51:46,559
time I've been wandering around going

1415
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,140
well you know why are we here and and

1416
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:51,660
are there other people and and just to

1417
00:51:57,730 --> 00:51:54,180
hear okay maybe there's another answer

1418
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:57,740
here that could spark so much you know

1419
00:52:02,089 --> 00:52:00,119
investigation and discussion and and

1420
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,099
bring us all together I mean look at

1421
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,920
you're you're across the pond as you say

1422
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,900
uh you know and you and I don't even

1423
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,940
know each other man but but but you're

1424
00:52:12,290 --> 00:52:10,380
part of my household every single day

1425
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:12,300
look at the way that this thing brings

1426
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:15,240
people together regardless of of

1427
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,359
political uh ideology you know who what

1428
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:20,160
country you're in don't matter you know

1429
00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:21,480
we're all just kind of getting into the

1430
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,079
same answer so I I just uh and long

1431
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,359
answer to your question I I just can't

1432
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:29,819
imagine that it's it's part of something

1433
00:52:34,730 --> 00:52:33,240
that that we is it has been our

1434
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,740
narrative for a long time it just can't

1435
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,440
be yeah and I think that's fairly fair

1436
00:52:42,010 --> 00:52:39,119
and you also mentioned that John

1437
00:52:45,650 --> 00:52:42,020
Greenwald and has freedom information

1438
00:52:47,569 --> 00:52:45,660
process and he has phenomenal and he has

1439
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:47,579
people joke about him being the king of

1440
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:49,020
for you and all that kind of stuff but

1441
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:52,260
he has the best at that because you're

1442
00:52:56,089 --> 00:52:53,880
you're right that it's still a system

1443
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,099
that involves someone making a decision

1444
00:53:00,829 --> 00:52:58,559
at the end of it and I don't think it's

1445
00:53:02,930 --> 00:53:00,839
a big government conspiracy and neither

1446
00:53:05,150 --> 00:53:02,940
would John I don't believe either when

1447
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,160
he doesn't get something returned it is

1448
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:07,920
just the competency of the person at the

1449
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:10,079
other end answering the request at that

1450
00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,980
time and it's how how well versed are

1451
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:15,720
they in the role they're in how long

1452
00:53:18,770 --> 00:53:17,220
have they been in that job are they

1453
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:18,780
having a good day are they having a bad

1454
00:53:24,109 --> 00:53:21,540
day and it seems to me that someone like

1455
00:53:25,730 --> 00:53:24,119
John it's the tenacity and the the time

1456
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,740
and effort they put into what they do

1457
00:53:30,589 --> 00:53:27,839
you know multiple fire requests going

1458
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:30,599
after the same thing multiple times the

1459
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,040
patience to go after something that's

1460
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,839
been refused for years

1461
00:53:37,849 --> 00:53:36,180
is all very much appreciated and that I

1462
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,859
support John through his patreon for

1463
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:39,720
that because I appreciate his podcast

1464
00:53:43,549 --> 00:53:41,460
but I also appreciate just what he does

1465
00:53:45,710 --> 00:53:43,559
I don't always agree with him but that's

1466
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:45,720
the same as most people in this topic I

1467
00:53:49,069 --> 00:53:47,640
don't always agree but you don't have to

1468
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,079
and it's just interesting to hear

1469
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:51,359
different people's take and yeah what

1470
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,540
John does is fantastic and it would be

1471
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,119
great to see and hear more people taking

1472
00:54:02,510 --> 00:53:59,520
up that mantle to to do those sorts of

1473
00:54:04,010 --> 00:54:02,520
requests but it's time consuming it

1474
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,020
takes a lot it's like I think it's like

1475
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:06,480
learning guitar I think it takes a short

1476
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:09,420
time to get okay and and learn but it

1477
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,460
takes a long time to master

1478
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,960
um and that's what he's gonna put in the

1479
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,839
hard yard you're 100 right on the other

1480
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:18,300
end so it would literally take three

1481
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:21,540
packets okay so so the first packet that

1482
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:23,760
I would make was what gets sent out to

1483
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:26,760
the requester the second one was would

1484
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,280
get sent out to my boss and and the

1485
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,960
reason why that I'm not putting the

1486
00:54:35,150 --> 00:54:33,180
other stuff in the requesters packet and

1487
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:35,160
the third one is is is that's going in

1488
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,500
the file as well I mean okay so that

1489
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,119
might not sound like much but multiply

1490
00:54:43,490 --> 00:54:42,000
that by by five or ten a day man I ain't

1491
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,500
got time for all this you know what I

1492
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:45,839
mean and and it's difficult you know on

1493
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:47,640
the other end because this is the right

1494
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:49,980
of the people you know and so you want

1495
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:51,900
to be receptive to that but like I said

1496
00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:54,540
you're trying to accomplish uh you know

1497
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:57,300
a 16-hour day and eight and and so you

1498
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,099
become very uh

1499
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:01,380
I don't know what the right word is you

1500
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,300
just you're just a jerk about it and you

1501
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:05,220
go ah Here We Go Again here's an FY

1502
00:55:11,650 --> 00:55:09,359
request and you know so yeah it's uh it

1503
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:11,660
there you're you're 100 right it's it's

1504
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:14,099
on the other end what's up with that and

1505
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,020
you know what honestly it has to do with

1506
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:18,720
also the requester and I've got a a

1507
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:21,839
honest uh or or a sincere thought that

1508
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:23,640
that John has earned the respect of

1509
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:25,740
people because he sinks his teeth into

1510
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:27,900
it he won't let it go if it's just some

1511
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,540
Joe Snuffy or it's not an attorney or

1512
00:55:34,910 --> 00:55:32,880
not a a well a congressman would be a

1513
00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:34,920
whole nother level but uh you know if

1514
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:36,839
it's not somebody that's got some weight

1515
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,180
behind him they get put in the paino

1516
00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:41,220
mind file but if I know that John's

1517
00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:42,599
gonna sit there and get on his podcast

1518
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:44,339
and put me on blast because I haven't

1519
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,680
answered this thing in a while I'm I'm

1520
00:55:49,910 --> 00:55:47,880
gonna I'm gonna pay a little more

1521
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:49,920
attention to his request

1522
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,420
absolutely

1523
00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:53,280
um just before you go I want to ask you

1524
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:55,859
Mike we're still waiting as of recording

1525
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,740
this for that unclassified report to

1526
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:00,660
drop and I'm I'm assured that it is

1527
00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,819
going to come out at some point just

1528
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:05,220
when that might be as as anyone's guess

1529
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:07,740
at this time are you expecting much from

1530
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:09,240
it

1531
00:56:14,569 --> 00:56:12,180
well I I gotta tell you and and I heard

1532
00:56:16,130 --> 00:56:14,579
Dan's comments too and and to paraphrase

1533
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:16,140
from what I thought he understood was

1534
00:56:21,049 --> 00:56:18,420
hey you know this is just a standard

1535
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,059
hiccup in the process and everything I I

1536
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,280
look at it at this point in time after

1537
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:26,400
30 some years of playing this game I I

1538
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,280
feel like it's almost like a uh

1539
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:31,200
it's almost like a neighbor that you owe

1540
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:32,760
something to and you know you got to

1541
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:34,619
give it back to them but but you don't

1542
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:35,940
really don't respect that neighbor you

1543
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,099
go yeah I'll get it to you tomorrow and

1544
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:40,319
and I just feel like this is some sort

1545
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:42,780
of like almost passive aggressive like

1546
00:56:46,190 --> 00:56:44,700
you know I don't care if you're Congress

1547
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,200
I don't care if you're Senate I don't

1548
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:48,480
care what it is we'll get this to you

1549
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,540
when when we want to and and I believe

1550
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:54,059
that it's it's going to be you know

1551
00:56:58,849 --> 00:56:56,460
because if you go back and and Richard

1552
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:58,859
Dolan really puts it well man when you

1553
00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:01,920
if if you follow the timeline all the

1554
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,500
way back to the 40s and and believe that

1555
00:57:08,210 --> 00:57:06,000
there's a cover-up because here's the

1556
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:08,220
other big part of this that that people

1557
00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:12,059
forget you can't just arbitrarily go to

1558
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:14,099
a private company in the United States

1559
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,800
if you're the government and go here

1560
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,720
here's something that we kind of found

1561
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:20,400
and and you guys see what you can do

1562
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:22,140
with it and and if you go back to

1563
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,319
Colonel Corso uh with with his book what

1564
00:57:28,849 --> 00:57:27,119
he was saying was is you guys keep all

1565
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:28,859
the benefits of it just tell us how this

1566
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,520
works that don't work uh in in the

1567
00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:34,559
Contracting laws of the United States

1568
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,300
government you've got to give everybody

1569
00:57:40,490 --> 00:57:38,760
a chance to put a bid forward and do it

1570
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,500
so if we've been playing these games

1571
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:43,200
since the 40s man there's unless they

1572
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:45,240
got legislation at the end of the day

1573
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:46,559
that's going to let everybody off the

1574
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,420
hook there's people going to jail over

1575
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:50,940
this stuff I you know and and there's

1576
00:57:53,930 --> 00:57:52,260
there's companies they're going to have

1577
00:57:57,049 --> 00:57:53,940
to pay retributions because they got

1578
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:57,059
unfair advantages so no and long answer

1579
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,260
to your question I think they're going

1580
00:58:02,329 --> 00:58:00,720
to slow walk us as long as they want and

1581
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,339
and then at the end of the day it's just

1582
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:05,040
going to be nothing nothing and and I

1583
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,660
don't know what could crack it I I

1584
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:09,119
really don't at this point and other

1585
00:58:15,290 --> 00:58:11,579
other than then they're just being an

1586
00:58:16,609 --> 00:58:15,300
absolute event that nobody can can see

1587
00:58:20,089 --> 00:58:16,619
you know they always say the White House

1588
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:20,099
lawn but but just somebody uh you know

1589
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:23,040
uh or or something rather showing up in

1590
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,619
broad daylight going here we are in the

1591
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,839
government having to give answers for it

1592
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:30,480
well mate you dropped me a Twitter DM to

1593
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,819
get a recording on the calling and it

1594
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,980
was very much appreciated uh if anyone

1595
00:58:39,530 --> 00:58:36,240
else wants to get involved in future

1596
00:58:40,609 --> 00:58:39,540
call-ins DMS or email is always the best

1597
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:40,619
way to do it and we'll get something

1598
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:42,180
arranged it's been great to speak with

1599
00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,400
you finally Mike because you've been

1600
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,040
fantastic on the the UFO Twitter for for

1601
00:58:49,849 --> 00:58:48,720
a long time now so it's really good to

1602
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:49,859
finally talk

1603
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:51,540
likewise and thank you for your hard

1604
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:53,460
work Andy man I mean I know this ain't

1605
00:58:57,829 --> 00:58:55,559
this ain't easy and and I really hope

1606
00:58:59,930 --> 00:58:57,839
that uh you continue your efforts

1607
00:59:03,770 --> 00:58:59,940
because it's so so appreciated thanks

1608
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:08,870
hey Andy uh everybody hello hi my name

1609
00:59:14,829 --> 00:59:12,480
is Phil I currently live in Michigan

1610
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:14,839
but um this UAP

1611
00:59:21,410 --> 00:59:18,180
experience uh took place

1612
00:59:24,289 --> 00:59:21,420
in Colorado out in the Rockies

1613
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:24,299
and a town called Avon

1614
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:26,400
it's uh

1615
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:30,960
eight thousand feet up in elevation

1616
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:33,420
um so internet's out there there's not a

1617
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:34,740
whole lot around

1618
00:59:41,390 --> 00:59:37,020
just like a little little mountain town

1619
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:41,400
very ritzy kind of right by Vale

1620
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:45,660
um so this happened back in 2013.

1621
00:59:51,789 --> 00:59:49,500
towards the end of winter so February or

1622
00:59:53,630 --> 00:59:51,799
March

1623
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:53,640
2013.

1624
01:00:00,589 --> 00:59:59,210
yeah so

1625
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,599
um

1626
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,359
like I said I was out living in Colorado

1627
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:05,220
um my girlfriend at the time

1628
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:08,220
oh let's just call her Sarah

1629
01:00:12,650 --> 01:00:09,200
um

1630
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:12,660
her family had a house oh

1631
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:16,440
in Avon which is where Beaver Creek Ski

1632
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:17,640
Resort is

1633
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,520
and we hung out there two to three days

1634
01:00:25,309 --> 01:00:22,319
every week

1635
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:25,319
all winter every single year it's what

1636
01:00:31,430 --> 01:00:29,220
we did and we she skied I snowballed him

1637
01:00:33,890 --> 01:00:31,440
but that's what we did just every day

1638
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,900
off we were there

1639
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,640
so we're very familiar with the mountain

1640
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:37,559
we know our way around

1641
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:40,260
say you know I'll meet you at this lift

1642
01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:43,500
or this bathroom or whatever we could

1643
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:47,099
get there we knew the place pretty well

1644
01:00:50,809 --> 01:00:47,880
um

1645
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:50,819
so one day we went skiing

1646
01:00:56,510 --> 01:00:53,700
it was Blue Sky there's not a cloud in

1647
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:56,520
the sky I call it a bluebird day out

1648
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:59,099
there mountains

1649
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,740
but um yeah we get there about eight in

1650
01:01:06,589 --> 01:01:03,839
the morning you know for a first chair

1651
01:01:09,049 --> 01:01:06,599
that's where the best snow is so you

1652
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:09,059
want to be there

1653
01:01:14,630 --> 01:01:10,680
um and since we're staying right across

1654
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:17,450
so we head over there do our skiing from

1655
01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:20,400
about eight to ten ten thirty in the

1656
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,119
morning and Sarah says uh she has to go

1657
01:01:29,089 --> 01:01:26,160
to the bathroom

1658
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:29,099
so that's cool take a little breather

1659
01:01:34,670 --> 01:01:31,380
we're up at the top of the mountain

1660
01:01:36,650 --> 01:01:34,680
and so we she says what lift she'll be

1661
01:01:38,510 --> 01:01:36,660
at so let me just meet you down there

1662
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:38,520
okay see ya

1663
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:41,520
so she takes off and I kind of

1664
01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:44,040
work my way down by myself get all the

1665
01:01:47,089 --> 01:01:45,780
way down to the bottom that's taking my

1666
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,099
time because you know she's gonna be

1667
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:48,960
five to ten minutes

1668
01:01:52,730 --> 01:01:50,400
and uh

1669
01:01:54,589 --> 01:01:52,740
I get to the bottom of the lift

1670
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,599
probably about 100 feet away from the

1671
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,640
chair and where we're gonna meet so

1672
01:02:02,270 --> 01:01:59,220
she'll see me I had an orange jacket

1673
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:02,280
like you're not gonna miss me

1674
01:02:06,650 --> 01:02:03,119
um

1675
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:06,660
so yeah I I get down to the bottom and I

1676
01:02:10,490 --> 01:02:08,700
just plop down on my back

1677
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:10,500
you know exhausted

1678
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:12,980
means a ton of work

1679
01:02:17,510 --> 01:02:15,420
and you know you're all in your gear and

1680
01:02:20,030 --> 01:02:17,520
stuff so you can light and snow stare at

1681
01:02:21,770 --> 01:02:20,040
the sky it's fine you're not cold or wet

1682
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,780
or anything

1683
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:24,000
so I just popped down I still got my

1684
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,570
goggles on gloves everything

1685
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:26,640
[Music]

1686
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:28,859
um headphones in and I'm looking

1687
01:02:34,609 --> 01:02:31,319
straight up like I said completely Blue

1688
01:02:37,309 --> 01:02:35,870
um

1689
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:37,319
so

1690
01:02:40,809 --> 01:02:39,960
directly above me

1691
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:40,819
um

1692
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:46,079
I don't know the distance maybe 50 to 75

1693
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:49,859
feet above me straight up

1694
01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:50,460
um

1695
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,780
is this white kind of Milky

1696
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,119
or looking thing for lack of a better

1697
01:03:02,329 --> 01:02:59,040
term

1698
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,339
is probably a little bigger than a

1699
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:05,280
basketball in size

1700
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:08,040
and

1701
01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:15,240
coming down

1702
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,220
I'll kind of

1703
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:18,960
not straight down

1704
01:03:24,950 --> 01:03:22,020
it's kind of like fluttering almost like

1705
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:24,960
like you would uh like a leaf or a

1706
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:27,059
feather or something would fall you know

1707
01:03:31,849 --> 01:03:29,280
like flutters to the left and then

1708
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:31,859
flutters to the right as it goes down

1709
01:03:36,289 --> 01:03:34,020
you know kind of back and back uh back

1710
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:36,299
and forth action

1711
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:38,040
well that's kind of what it reminded me

1712
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:38,940
of

1713
01:03:42,890 --> 01:03:41,220
and so I'm just sitting there watching

1714
01:03:45,650 --> 01:03:42,900
this thing

1715
01:03:47,329 --> 01:03:45,660
and nothing is even clicked yet I I

1716
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:47,339
think I still thought it was a

1717
01:03:51,289 --> 01:03:49,440
reflection in my goggles

1718
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:51,299
so

1719
01:03:57,010 --> 01:03:53,400
um I'm chilling and it just keeps

1720
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:57,020
getting closer and closer and closer

1721
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,260
and it made it about 15. see above me

1722
01:04:07,010 --> 01:04:03,420
maybe even 10.

1723
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:07,020
and during that time I had not uh

1724
01:04:11,809 --> 01:04:09,059
looked away I just been staring at that

1725
01:04:13,250 --> 01:04:11,819
at it took my goggles off muted my

1726
01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:13,260
headphones

1727
01:04:18,349 --> 01:04:15,960
and it's there it it didn't change it

1728
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:18,359
wasn't the goggles or anything

1729
01:04:22,609 --> 01:04:21,780
so I'm standing up like looking straight

1730
01:04:24,730 --> 01:04:22,619
up

1731
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:24,740
like with my mouth open

1732
01:04:29,049 --> 01:04:27,960
and then I hear Sarah what the hell is

1733
01:04:31,549 --> 01:04:29,059
that

1734
01:04:33,230 --> 01:04:31,559
and then I like looked at her I'm like

1735
01:04:36,289 --> 01:04:33,240
you can see that

1736
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:36,299
she's like yeah what is that

1737
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,700
I don't know

1738
01:04:43,309 --> 01:04:40,319
like you know we were looking at each

1739
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:43,319
other talking look back

1740
01:04:49,430 --> 01:04:46,020
and it started going up

1741
01:04:52,130 --> 01:04:49,440
basically the same way as it came down

1742
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,140
it's like fluttering up

1743
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:53,760
on me enough

1744
01:04:57,710 --> 01:04:55,980
I don't think it was retracing the same

1745
01:05:00,530 --> 01:04:57,720
path like that's not what I'm saying

1746
01:05:02,089 --> 01:05:00,540
it's just just emotion

1747
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:02,099
um

1748
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,599
so that's something else that's what it

1749
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,520
looked like

1750
01:05:10,190 --> 01:05:07,319
um

1751
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:10,200
yeah so like this this orb was just like

1752
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:12,540
a white clear it's just like everything

1753
01:05:19,309 --> 01:05:15,960
you see in photographs and videos

1754
01:05:21,950 --> 01:05:19,319
um more milky in the middle

1755
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:21,960
kind of like with a pronounced Circle

1756
01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:24,299
and then more kind of clear towards the

1757
01:05:26,809 --> 01:05:25,559
outsides

1758
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:26,819
you know like you're looking through a

1759
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:30,180
pane of glass or like even yeah painted

1760
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:31,559
glass in the middle would be like

1761
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:36,950
um that's I don't know sort of

1762
01:05:41,870 --> 01:05:39,720
the best I can do to describe it a

1763
01:05:44,630 --> 01:05:41,880
little bit bigger than the basketball

1764
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:44,640
like I said

1765
01:05:49,370 --> 01:05:46,920
um so yeah it floated up it didn't like

1766
01:05:51,410 --> 01:05:49,380
take off or do anything it just kind of

1767
01:05:52,849 --> 01:05:51,420
went straight back up until we couldn't

1768
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:52,859
see it anymore

1769
01:05:56,450 --> 01:05:54,900
and then we kind of looked at each other

1770
01:05:58,430 --> 01:05:56,460
like whoa

1771
01:06:02,510 --> 01:05:58,440
and we went back to skiing you know

1772
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:02,520
because it's what you do out there it's

1773
01:06:08,930 --> 01:06:03,420
um

1774
01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:08,940
yeah we never really discussed it much

1775
01:06:12,170 --> 01:06:09,960
um

1776
01:06:14,510 --> 01:06:12,180
a little that day on the on the chair

1777
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:14,520
right up but then it kind of just I

1778
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:17,040
don't know kind of just like

1779
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:18,780
I don't know I don't know why I didn't

1780
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,020
talk about it or even write it down

1781
01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:24,000
it wasn't even until I was listening to

1782
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,099
your podcast where I

1783
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:27,839
thought hey

1784
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:30,780
it's not a craft or anything but

1785
01:06:36,829 --> 01:06:33,660
sure I mean it was in the air and I

1786
01:06:41,450 --> 01:06:36,839
don't know what the heck it was so

1787
01:06:47,450 --> 01:06:43,309
um yeah

1788
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:47,460
so that is my story

1789
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:50,400
um yep big fan thanks a lot Andy that is

1790
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,380
all from this week's show thank you very

1791
01:06:56,329 --> 01:06:54,420
much for listening please remember to

1792
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:56,339
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01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:21,299
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1803
01:07:28,490 --> 01:07:23,160
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01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:53,240
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01:09:21,420 --> 01:07:59,329
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1806
01:09:31,209 --> 01:09:21,430
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1807
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:33,280
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